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there's positive things being said about microsoft and google. when you look at alternative operating systems, whether it's microsoft and their own hardware, this to me is the issue and has always been their issue, they're not going to be able to stave off hardware which becomes indistinguishable. and when you get to places where margins are cut razor thin and will do it better than apple, they can do it cheaper. this is the fundamental issue, it's not a technical issue. >> i would disagree on a microsoft side. microsoft reported their original os 8 numbers. they didn't give any of the surface numbers there. i think you're exactly right in terms of android. especially in an emerging market, that's becoming a bigger deal. keep in mind it's getting to some of these numbers for next year, it doesn't require the big apple growth that they've had. in other words, if they can just gain a fractional share and get to where they want to go. let android have a lot of the emerging markets and apple can beat the street numbers for 2013. >> gene, brian kelly.
there's positive things being said about microsoft and google. when you look at alternative operating systems, whether it's microsoft and their own hardware, this to me is the issue and has always been their issue, they're not going to be able to stave off hardware which becomes indistinguishable. and when you get to places where margins are cut razor thin and will do it better than apple, they can do it cheaper. this is the fundamental issue, it's not a technical issue. >> i would...
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if you google bermuda tax shelter, you probably get google as the top result. >> indeed. well, news today that google is using bermuda to its tax advantage. and in a very big way. the internet giant is steering $10 billion in overseas profits in the islands nation. therefore avoiding about $2 billion in taxes worldwide. guess what, it is all legal. it benefits the company's bottom line. but opens the company up for criticism. let's bring in ben schacter. saying it's the fiduciary duty that google has to their shareholders. while david callahan says such strategies could hurt the brand. great to have you with us. ben, let me get to you today. we'll get into the ethics in a second. but you say it is good for shareholders. >> i think it's what they have to do. it's their fiduciary duty to protect shareholders and pay as low a tax rate as they legally can. and in this case, that is what they're doing. >> but ethically it feels a little dirty, doesn't it? if all these american companies are hiding their revenues elsewhere. >> i think this is what they have to do. they have leg
if you google bermuda tax shelter, you probably get google as the top result. >> indeed. well, news today that google is using bermuda to its tax advantage. and in a very big way. the internet giant is steering $10 billion in overseas profits in the islands nation. therefore avoiding about $2 billion in taxes worldwide. guess what, it is all legal. it benefits the company's bottom line. but opens the company up for criticism. let's bring in ben schacter. saying it's the fiduciary duty...
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apple's inexpensive but google is expensive. it is just apple's so many hundreds of billions in market cap that sometimes it is going to fall by its own weight. >> we can bring that back up, please. when i look at apple trading at 1.5 points more in forward pe than microsoft. one of those is mispriced. >> exactly right. that's why i look forward to the panel because it is really ael ael braic. >> do you believe apple is fundamentally undervalued? >> yes, i do. i think one other point that should be made is that apple's cash balance is not only enormous at about almost $130 a share, but it's growing at $40-plus per share per year. so if you -- and this is after paying a dividend and repurchasing shares. if you roll this tape forward, apple is just an enormous pile of cash. that becomes a very, very substantial portion of its market cap. on almost any metric this stock is really inexpensive and its projects are still very, very bright. if you look at its core market which is smartphones, only 42% of all handsets sold globally this
apple's inexpensive but google is expensive. it is just apple's so many hundreds of billions in market cap that sometimes it is going to fall by its own weight. >> we can bring that back up, please. when i look at apple trading at 1.5 points more in forward pe than microsoft. one of those is mispriced. >> exactly right. that's why i look forward to the panel because it is really ael ael braic. >> do you believe apple is fundamentally undervalued? >> yes, i do. i think...
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what's the trade on google, pete? >> i like google, but i still think when you look at yahoo!, one of this things we talked about recently is, how yahoo! is actually starting to steal back some of that search. who are they stealing it from? they are taking some of it from google. i like this yahoo! story right now. i think you have more upside. >> amen. >> all right. >> we talk about it for awhile now. >> we have. we have. >> jane? >> all right, finally, this john mcafee story is right out of hollywood. we need to start casting the movie. one likely candidate is vladic sheybal who played dr. boogalow. but i found the late, great roy shader, seen as bob fossey in "all that jazz." unfortunately, they are both dead. so, casting remains open. i see on the set one person with facial hair and i think -- if pete had a really, really, really hard weekend, monday morning, he could play john mcafee. >> i had a rough one this weekend, as a matter of fact. boy, that was tough. >> little extra time with tequila mocking bird. >> meggings were too tight? >> no meggings here. >> have you hear
what's the trade on google, pete? >> i like google, but i still think when you look at yahoo!, one of this things we talked about recently is, how yahoo! is actually starting to steal back some of that search. who are they stealing it from? they are taking some of it from google. i like this yahoo! story right now. i think you have more upside. >> amen. >> all right. >> we talk about it for awhile now. >> we have. we have. >> jane? >> all right,...
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apple's losing share to google, it doesn't have the right phones in europe, nokia's making a comeback, the mini isn't selling, there's no special dividend, we've got a stock chart that is the -- >> sell, sell, sell, sell! >> excuse me for a moment while i get nauseated. apple went down today because it's a big dollar amount stock and makes a ton of economic sense to ring the register before year-end. why do i always say about apple? own it. shocker. how about citigroup? this company's crushed shareholders for many, many years, but this new management team, you've got to hand it to them for taking tough medicine right before the holidays, firing 11,000 people, shutting down underperforming operations around the globe. no, i don't want to work there, and i feel terrible at the layoffs. i've got a ton of friends over citi, but i would be happy if i was a shareholder. something we're asking of our politicians, they can't do that. but citigroup's management was willing to take the hard medicine for the shareholders. we hear endless negativity about china and europe, but the chinese market
apple's losing share to google, it doesn't have the right phones in europe, nokia's making a comeback, the mini isn't selling, there's no special dividend, we've got a stock chart that is the -- >> sell, sell, sell, sell! >> excuse me for a moment while i get nauseated. apple went down today because it's a big dollar amount stock and makes a ton of economic sense to ring the register before year-end. why do i always say about apple? own it. shocker. how about citigroup? this...
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that isn't working out so well for them but google is also trying to do this. this isn't just a apple thing. a number of companies trying to do some manufacturing here. apple last quarter made about 50 million things. they are a huge manufacturer. just under 1 million of those were desktop macs. so we're talking about a small sliver of what apple actually makes. >> jon, i wonder, how you would characterize the change in culture from steve jobs to tim cook. i might characterize it this way. mr. cook feels like velvet glove, iron fist. mr. jobs was iron glove, iron fist. >> well, i'm not sure which glove hits harder. you take a look at some of the executive shuffling that we've seen under the tim cook regime. that's significant. we didn't see steve jobs do things quite in that way so he's not afraid to make changes. he's also done stuff with a dividend that we've seen. he's done things with apple, also being more open with wall street. so a few things that he's done also in charitable giving that are different. >> i would chime in and add, this is definitely a mo
that isn't working out so well for them but google is also trying to do this. this isn't just a apple thing. a number of companies trying to do some manufacturing here. apple last quarter made about 50 million things. they are a huge manufacturer. just under 1 million of those were desktop macs. so we're talking about a small sliver of what apple actually makes. >> jon, i wonder, how you would characterize the change in culture from steve jobs to tim cook. i might characterize it this...
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. >>> google plans to start charging small businesses for its free services like e-mail and google docs. will consumers be next it with those fees? >>> from "50 shades of grey" to 5,000 shades of green, publisher random house giving employees a lot to cheer about this holiday season. we'll explain when "power lunch" continues in just a moment. ♪ [ male announcer ] 'tis the season to discover the kid in all of us. enjoy free shipping and great values on your holiday shopping from l.l. bean. having you ship my gifts couldn't be easier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's not real. geico's customer satisfaction is quite r
. >>> google plans to start charging small businesses for its free services like e-mail and google docs. will consumers be next it with those fees? >>> from "50 shades of grey" to 5,000 shades of green, publisher random house giving employees a lot to cheer about this holiday season. we'll explain when "power lunch" continues in just a moment. ♪ [ male announcer ] 'tis the season to discover the kid in all of us. enjoy free shipping and great values on...
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it is not going to drive google's earnings, if you -- display ad does drive google's earnings but nothing to do with display ads, sit there and think maybe am, people will buy it, maybe not, but the idea that google is up big and apple is down big just shows you how fanciful this market can be versus the reality. makes no sense. >> google could drive a lot bigger margin if they wanted to, fascinating company, i agree. >> all the thing these give away for free they could possibly monetize u >> kansas city, delivering one gigabyte for $30 a month. so interesting to follow this company, generating enormous amounts of cash flow. >> trade off of that. invest in it, they are investing so much in the future. the idea of a superior map product driving google over 700, starting to climb back where it was after that horribly disappointing quarter? i got facebook at 20. i get that. facebook said we got a way to monetize, but the idea, wow, you know what, those maps, which we know are superior, we should buy google off it? >> maybe just the people are taking money out of apple and putting it elsewher
it is not going to drive google's earnings, if you -- display ad does drive google's earnings but nothing to do with display ads, sit there and think maybe am, people will buy it, maybe not, but the idea that google is up big and apple is down big just shows you how fanciful this market can be versus the reality. makes no sense. >> google could drive a lot bigger margin if they wanted to, fascinating company, i agree. >> all the thing these give away for free they could possibly...
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you are seeing a new crop of devices like the amazon kindle fire or the google nexus that are coming in at attractive price points and certainly capturing a good chunk at the low end. >> yeah, because i guess to your point, which is when you are the first person into a market, you actually have though where to go but down in market share. when you go in, you have 100%. so is there a demarcation line for you where you do start to worry? >> you know, i mean, it seems like demand is still good. i mean, i'm not the apple analyst, but apple sales on the ipad and ipad mini are still expected to be up 50% year over year in the fourth quarter. it's a big number. they're going to sell a ton of these things. i'm not that worried. obviously, the stock is having technical challenges and tax related selling and special dividend but it still seems like there's good demand for that product. >> speaking of all these products, what about the microsoft surface? what happened to that? they're selling it, right? i haven't haereard a lot about . >> theoretically, they're selling it. >> i think they're se
you are seeing a new crop of devices like the amazon kindle fire or the google nexus that are coming in at attractive price points and certainly capturing a good chunk at the low end. >> yeah, because i guess to your point, which is when you are the first person into a market, you actually have though where to go but down in market share. when you go in, you have 100%. so is there a demarcation line for you where you do start to worry? >> you know, i mean, it seems like demand is...
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the google map is now available as a download from appel itunes. you can get it for free. >> and the big question was, a, was google going to make it and, b, was apple going to accept it? we were at the conference yesterday. there was a lot of discussion about that issue. >> it might be easier to list who wasn't at your conference. >> you know, you were invited to the conference. >> i was. i had something else to do. >> what did you have to do yesterday? >> wash my hair. no, i had a -- no, i would have come. i did. i had a lunch. >> it was in the city. >> no. >> you were so close, you came across the bridge? >> i also had to meet with my style team. >> okay. >> my style is lacking, apparently. >> another historic night at madison square garden and the 12-12-12 concert brought relief for hurricane sandy. the sold-out show lasted nearly six hours and was said to have reached an audience of two billion, with a b, people around the world. it was broadcast over tv, radio, internet, quite a night if you were lucky enough to have a ticket. i was actually
the google map is now available as a download from appel itunes. you can get it for free. >> and the big question was, a, was google going to make it and, b, was apple going to accept it? we were at the conference yesterday. there was a lot of discussion about that issue. >> it might be easier to list who wasn't at your conference. >> you know, you were invited to the conference. >> i was. i had something else to do. >> what did you have to do yesterday? >>...
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this is after members of parliament accused the likes of starbucks, google and amazon of immorally dodging taxes in the uk. although they've done absolutely nothing illegal. steve is braving the inclement weather in the uk with more on this story. how much of a mention and a focus is this going to get with everything else, steve? >> well, isn't it wonderful, the politicians when they're running for their own lives look for another scapegoat, and who better than those u.s. corporations who aren't paying enough uk tax. but as you quite rightly said, they're doing absolutely nothing illegal and doing everything that they should do in terms of creating shareholder value. they're doing what they should do, ie looking for ways to minimize their tax burden, increase their profit and potentially increase the special dividends no those u.s. investors will be getting ahead of the fiscal cliff. but let's get another view of this. gary richards is a senior corporate tax partner. that's the point. these american companies who are evading taxes who the politicians want to come down on, they're doing not
this is after members of parliament accused the likes of starbucks, google and amazon of immorally dodging taxes in the uk. although they've done absolutely nothing illegal. steve is braving the inclement weather in the uk with more on this story. how much of a mention and a focus is this going to get with everything else, steve? >> well, isn't it wonderful, the politicians when they're running for their own lives look for another scapegoat, and who better than those u.s. corporations who...
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but google is like that. and i got you. >> and you got me and i fell for it and i should have known. >> oh, man. coming up, a live report from rome. >> i should know better. how long have i been sitting next to you? >> why europe is paying close attention to who will follow mario monti as italy's prime minister. >>> but here at home, a very big difference between president obama's first inauguration and the one being planned for next month. details when we run. twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligations. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. if you're a man w
but google is like that. and i got you. >> and you got me and i fell for it and i should have known. >> oh, man. coming up, a live report from rome. >> i should know better. how long have i been sitting next to you? >> why europe is paying close attention to who will follow mario monti as italy's prime minister. >>> but here at home, a very big difference between president obama's first inauguration and the one being planned for next month. details when we run....
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google at 64%. that's important to note. the reason why these companies have so much cash overseas is that they've been global growth stories. when microsoft sells product overseas the proceeds go into accounts over there. don't come to the u.s. unless microsoft needs to buy something here. you can see it plays out in a company like apple, too, where international launches and international retail expansion have become far more important than the u.s. where growth is concerned. just five years ago apple had 58% of its cash in the u.s. this is actually a big issue for a company like cisco where john chambers has been very straightforward about saying if the federal government lets us repay treeuate this cash, bring it to the u.s. without a big penalty, we'll use it to hire and grow in this country. if not we'll hire less and, by the way, keep making bigger overseas acquisitions, too. all of this gets a bit dicier when you consider a lot of u.s. companies have gotten pretty good at avoiding tax on international sales by using
google at 64%. that's important to note. the reason why these companies have so much cash overseas is that they've been global growth stories. when microsoft sells product overseas the proceeds go into accounts over there. don't come to the u.s. unless microsoft needs to buy something here. you can see it plays out in a company like apple, too, where international launches and international retail expansion have become far more important than the u.s. where growth is concerned. just five years...
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by analysts a forecast by an influential research firm suggesting the iphone iphone is giving up to google's headlines. apple accounts for the entirely of the mass dnasdaq's fall of 1. apple is enjoying its best day since early last week. didn't close on its highs but equities up 8% points or so. futures back in positive territory, up 15 and down and up five or so. everybody's watching what's going on in d.c. overnight in asia it was mixed but not big moves sni where, japan had a good day and in europe we have green roar rows yesterday morning which pour tended good things for us here, germany doing the best. >> as expect the bank of england and european central banks left their ratings unchanged. mario draghi will hold his post meeting news conference. steve liesman has more exclusive raults from our all-america economic survey. >> what do people think about the fiscal cliff. consumer confidence has remind high. business confidence is down so the first thing we want to know, that's not the right chart, we want to do on whether or not people heard about the fiscal cliff. have you heard of it
by analysts a forecast by an influential research firm suggesting the iphone iphone is giving up to google's headlines. apple accounts for the entirely of the mass dnasdaq's fall of 1. apple is enjoying its best day since early last week. didn't close on its highs but equities up 8% points or so. futures back in positive territory, up 15 and down and up five or so. everybody's watching what's going on in d.c. overnight in asia it was mixed but not big moves sni where, japan had a good day and...